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get another tax cut. i would argue we can't afford it as a country, but the question is, are we going to allow middle class families to see their taxes go up while we have this debate? if we can agree we will continue tax cuts for the middle class, everything else begins to fall into place. >> wlho is working at this moment? are you involved in this? >> i've been in touch with those involved in this. there is no deal yet. i continue to hope for a bipartisan agreement today. what we see a monumental failure of presidential leadership. the president is the only person with a pen to sign this, and it's the president's responsibility to work on something that the house will pass, the senate will pass and he will sign. he is outsourcing this. he continues to campaign and lecture when he ought to focus on the number one problem that hurt z us as a country, which is our debt. >> it would be nice to place all the blame on the president, but that's not the reality. in the house our democratic caucus is meeting later on today. we've been united as democrats in wanting to protect middle class fa
on taxes. democrats was soset the limit at $250, 000, let the tush of bush tax cuts expire for people making more than that. republicansment that limit to be higher, and they're also far apart on estate taxes. they will meet with their caucuses later today and at that point we expect they're going to tell their members they just weren't able to make out a deal on this. >> o'donnell: major, you have been talking to the white house. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff preoccupation hab about taxes but there's another part, across-the-board cuts, and they are preparing to send out furlough noticees, and apply want quester. >> o'donnell: the white house is preparing to do that? >> reporter: it that's. because the deadline is approaching. it cannot reasonably ignore the law, and misapplying. so it is now preparing to send out a variety of notices to federal contractors, the contract is suspended or canceled. or to tell various agency the-- the t.s.a., f.a.a., all through the federal government, lay people off, this is real, because they seaport negotiations are not getting anywhere near a deal a
cuts and the expiration of all the bush tax cuts. the latest in just a moment. right now, i'm joined by jamelle buoy. a staff writer for the american prospect magazine and "washington post" reporter, suzy kim. kevin williamson, dep deputy mag editor and a nonprofit group that advocates for social and economic equality. we're one day away from what most media are calling the fiscal cliff. if political concoction enacted by congress to frighten itself into passing deficit reduction measures which means unless congress acts in the next 48 hours the bush tax cuts will expire along with federal unemployment insurance and a broad package of the spending cuts including defense spending will take effect. do weeks of fruitless negotiations and john boehner and senate leader are working on a deal this morning to avoid the fiscal cliff, or as chris hayes and i call it, the fiscal curve. the deadline is soft. it's not like every american is going to be handed a bill on january 1st and there's way to manage the damage if the country goes over. the senate is set to convene this afternoon with the
and constructive discussion at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. >> now what would be in that mini deal? we're talking about tax increases for people at near the top of the income scale. the question is the threshold, 400 or $500,000 are the likely places that that could end up. it would likely turn off the automatic sequester by using some of the revenue from the tax increases to account as budget cuts and turn off they is quester and it would also extend unemployment benefits and do the so-called doc fix to prevent reimbursements from declining and also have a milk fix, michelle that would prevent the doubling of milk prices which would occur without an extension of subsidies. >> why aren't people more optimistic? i haven't heard about enough spending cuts that would bring republican spending cuts. why are republicans more optimistic now? >> they're concerned spending cuts would not be a part of this deal. i talked to an aide who s
'm arguing for maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a republican mainstream agenda. >> joining me senator olympia sn snowe of maine. let me start with that. it does seem sort of counter intuitive to have republicans wanting to fight for tax hikes for no one and in that fight, being willing to allow tax hikes for everyone? >> you know, i would agree with that. obviously it is important to make sure that middle income america does not confront a tax increase at the beginning of next year, which is less than two days away. that is critical. the second part is, of course, is trying to address the spending cuts that are going to be crucial next year as well. more for the long-term debt reduction that i think republicans are talking about, but the bottom line is, we should pass this tax extension for middle income america before we adjourn this year. >> and what is -- what do you -- where do you think this will land? as we understand it now, there is still a difference of opinion, about wh
republicans have had trouble saying yes." what has been going on here? wanted to president's raise taxes for people making over $250,000 a year and do that with some budget cuts and some and tom reform and that he has not been able to get any kind of action from the republicans. he believes there is a negotiation in which he has been the only person willing to put forward any kind of compromise and the house republicans have not been able or willing to do. the vote john boehner schedule and had to cancel is evidence of that in the present cost mind -- in the president's mind. we have part of what speaker boehner said. "the comments today are ironic as a recurrent theme was his unwillingness to stand up to anything in his own party. from the republican side of the aisle and speaker boehner, where are things at the moment? guest: the speaker had been hoping there would be a larger deal. the president was ready to move forward on in the time they had in front of them. this was in vision at one point to be the grand bargain which would incorporate in atomic reform and all sorts of budget cut
the fiscal cliff, to avoid taxes being raised on middle class folks and on 98% of america to avoid in my view a sequestration that would be very damaging to the defense and nondefense sides, there's an agreement that's possible. and, you know, there are four issues that are outstanding. each of them is bridgeable in a certain way. they are we believe that the bush tax cuts should go up for people above $250,000 this can a year. there is a disagreement on estate tax. we prefer the 2009 levels, jon would prefer something else. whether unemployment insurance is included in, we feel that's very important and then whether you use some small portion of the revenues you gain from the tax increases to pay down sequestration per year. those would be the four areas they have to come to agreement on. there are some areas i think there's agreement. dealing with the amt patch so that middle class people don't go -- the sgr, the medicare and some tax expenditures on business and middle -- >> you're talking about extending tax cuts for most americans, talking about more spending, this would be extending une
that has the pedal to the metal. what you and i have talked about before repeatedly, $4 in taxes for every dollar in phantom spending cuts. that's fiscal irritation, but the health of corporate america will be what ultimately prevails. >> sounds like david has been reading your book, rick santelli. >> it does. >> big fan of rick. >> this is such a perverse world we live in, okay. let's look as what's happening. down 158 in stocks and that pushed the ten-year yield under 170, okay. >> really. let me get this straight. they can't get a deal on controlling out-of-control debt, so rates go down. i used to trade during graham/rudman and i remember when they couldn't get deficit conversations right, treasuries went down and stocks went down. oh, would i love to get back to that type of reality. >> yeah. but you had a different guy at the federal reserve at the time. >> yeah, a different guy, you know, in hindsight he was maybe the monetizer in charge -- in chief, and we get a little historical perspective on that, but as many things that i disagree with alan greenspan on, i thought he was at lea
on the senate, and as democrats dig in to protect social programs, republicans do the same on taxes. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something that republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems to be at a standstill right now. let's review the bidding. here it is from a republican source here on the republican side of capitol hill. all day yesterday they were trading proposals back and forth. by his count tw
. what tax and spending issues do need included in any compromise. republicans, your number is -- democrats -- independents -- if you are outside the u.s. -- you can also catch up with us on all your favorite social media sites, twitter, facebook, or e- mail us. a very good morning to you. taking to the latest headlines on the fiscal cliff. i will run a few -- through a few of them for you. from "the daily news" -- also "l.a. times" -- i will take to "a "boston globe"" -- "the boston globe" -- the new york post -- the story i want to start with this morning is from politico. that line is -- senate leaders are headed into a critical sunday session of congress with a similar mission to avoid historic tax hikes, setting the stage for a high wire a final act of fiscal cliff negotiating just two days before the country is hit with a series of tough austerity measures. -- that again is from politico this morning. you're getting your thoughts, and we want to hear your message to congress on the fiscal cliff negotiations. the politico story mentioned what was happening on saturday e
that they agree that it is important now to keep taxes from going up on most people and accept the reality that they will go up by the top 1 pshgs 2%, 250,000 in income and above. and it does look, to me, that there are enough votes if senator reid puts that on the floor for it to break the 60. but the republican probably going to filibuster it. >> even at 250,000, not 400 or 500, other numbers that have been floated? >> those are the compromise numbers. that's an effort by the president and senator reid to bring the republicans along. but senator reid said his preference is 250,000, which i agree with, by the way. what we're talking about is 4.6% increase in taxes. that means if you're making 250,000 ayear for every additional 1,000 you'll pay $46. the notion of paying $46 out of 1,000 for wealthy people has any negative affect on anybody, i confirmed this talking to one of wealthiest men of boston, i asked if we were to raise taxes by that amount on him would he know it if his accountant didn't make a point of telling him. he said of course not. but in any case the 400 is an effort to ha
aboutrd. now, the president campaigned on raising taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year. the bush era tax cuts will expire at the end of this year. obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election. he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again, i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house even the speaker can't tell what he's going to do because he backed off even his own proposal. mr. president, the house, we hear this so often, is controlled by the reap warnings and we acknowledge that. i would be most happy to move forward on something that senator mcconnell said they wouldn't filibuster over here that he would support and that boehner would support, if it were reasonable, but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know, and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very serious, if the speaker and th
package for an up or down vote, one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital life line of unemployment insurance to 2 million americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> and just moments ago, senator harry reid says he's readying a bill for a vote by monday. all this follows a rare face to face-closed-door meeting at the white housed to between all the key players. the president, the vice president, the treasury secretary, and all four congressional leaders. huddled together with just four days to go before we all go over the fiscal cliff. that meeting lasted for an hour and five minutes. now on a story where every second and every maneuver counts let's get right to chief white house correspondent increase ka yellin. the president says he's modestly optimistic but he also presented a backup plan. does the president really think it will come to that? >> at this point, no. they don't. because the white house is hopeful, first of all, that the agreement that the senators a
, the scaled-down plan which would keep taxes low for 98% of americans, raising them for folks over 250, extending unemployment benefits. would you vote for that as an alternative to going over the fiscal cliff? >> i would have voted just to extend the tax cuts for 99.8% or whatever it was of americans that was john boehner's plan "b." a couple of things are either being misreported or inaccurately reported because what gets in the way of the president's plan is the constitution of the united states. and the good thing about this meeting is that the focus is now firmly on the united states senate where it should have been all these months. the house acted a long time ago to extend all the tax cuts and take care of sequestration. the senate has given speeches. >> you're referring to the fact that revenue issues are supposed to generate in the house. right now, both speaker boehner and the president say it's between reid and mcconnell which does raise the question, whatever procedural and constitutional issues, which are profound. are you concerned as a republican, someone who is close to
and tax increases that goy into effect tuesday morning are totally manmade, totally avoidable, and all sides know it. it's a kind of legislative dooms day machine written by the men and women who work here and signed by president obama. the idea being to make it so painful not to cut a deal on taxes and spending that they would be forced to cut a deal on taxes and spending. except keeping them honest, they haven't done it. even though they knew the stakes, they knew the deadline, and both sides promised that this time things would be different. >> we need to return to fiscal responsibility. >> how is it that we're going to be able to do that? getting our fiscal house in order. >> the american people have spoken loudly. they want us to get our fiscal house in order. >> fiscal handcuffs on this congress that are sorely needed. >> washington is beginning to get its fiscal house in order. >> so they approve legislation that gave everyone nearly a year and a half to reach a long-term agreement on spending and taxes or face truly punishing consequences if they didn't. you'll remember at the
the right tax incentives, and that we need a right of work force that is educated. jefferson has the view that the government needs to support manufacturing. now, this becomes the american economic system and influences henry, abraham lincoln, and is the governing philosophy of america's rise in industrialization. herbert hoover, when i got to the commerce building, and why would your name be in the commerce building, the president responsible for the depression, there's a lot of republic for hoover. he was not the best president, but a great commerce secretary. he was the secretary of commerce and under secretary of everything else, and he was working for calvin coolidge, and you know what hoover did? he believed in the american economic system, and he and calvin coolage, the apostle of limited government, poured in millions of dollars to the aviation industry which is still in wichita, kansas, funded the existence of infrastructure, and calvin coolidge, quoted in the book, talks about the importance of the investment in roads. eisenhower, of course, with the highways, and even reagan in
happens if big tax hikes and spending cuts take effect? will washington come up with a last-minute compromise? plus, where are we headed on new demands for gun control? and, will we ever get all of the answers to the benghazi terror attacks? we'll cover a lot of ground when we sit down with two leading senators: democrat dianne feinstein and republican lindsay graham. also th 2012 in the rearview mirror we look ahead to 2013. our sunday panel weighs in on what we'll be talking about in the coming year. all, right now, on fox news sunday. ♪ >> chris: and hello, again from fox news in washington. well, it turns out the fiscal cliff is going to be a cliff-hanger. with less than two days until the new year, senate leaders are still trying to work out a deal, to avoid tax increases on almost every american. but, any compromise will do close to nothing about our debt problem. joining us now, to discuss what kind of deal they will and won't vote for, are two key senators, democrat dianne feinstein and republican lindsey graham. senators, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank
for the agreement. the bush tax cuts would expire for incomes above $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for families. unemployment benefits would continue for one year and the estate tax would go up. we have learned lawmakers are still working out the automatic spending cuts. president obama weighs in saying middle class families can not get caught in the middle. >> the last thing folks like the folks up here on this stage can afford right now is to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year. middle-class families can not afford it, businesses cannot afford it, our economy can not afford it. >>trace: traders on wall street are watching the president's comments. the chance of going over the cliff may not look great but the dow is up for the time being. we have fox coverage with wendell at the white house. but, first, mike is live on capitol hill. the senate leader is the -- actually, the minority leader, what is he telling colleagues? >>reporter: he said they are very, very close. he would like to take action to avoid having americans suffer a huge tax increase in a matter of ten hours.
to hammer out a deal where lawmakers on stopping automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts from kicking in, which is set to happen, if you're not watching the calendar, six days from now. if they don't reach a deal many say it could send the country right back into recession. ed henry is live in honolulu, hawaii. is this a sign the president sees progress in the talks? >> reporter: well, good to see you. it may be the opposite. the president's not seeing progress and wants to get back to washington as soon as possible to goose the process. time is running out. economists say we could go into another recession if the fiscal cliff is not dealt with. we just learned house republicans convened a conference call with members to say be on 48 hours notice to come back to washington in the next few days to deal with this one way or another. the senate coming back into session tomorrow morning 10:00 a.m. eastern time. the president on this red eye will be flying basically overnight tonight into tomorrow, get there early in the day and maybe convene congressional leaders at some point. interesting t
families the payroll tax cut that started two years ago is worth around 1000 as year. those families tend to spend that cash because they need it now. republicans say this is one tax cut they hate and the last time it was going to expire, the white house launched a whole campaign about $40 a paycheck. they asked families to send in their stories about what $40 meant to them. well, you know something? $40 a still a lot of cash for the families hit hardest by the great recession. for the wealthy people sitting around the negotiating table in d.c., $40 is just another steak dinner for one. but for many people who voted them into office, it's the cost of groceries for a week of family dinners. let's not forget, they are the ones who still need an economic stimulus, not the families earning more than $250,000 a year. joining me today on a newsy day, "the huffington post" sam stein and the national reviews robert costa. sam, i want to start with you. you have been reporting this out all day, and we know that congressional leaders are with the president this afternoon. they haven't made comments
, there are well down the light. they won the taxes now. by the time the cuts come in, this ought to be turned around and it was said, we do not need the cuts now that if it has turned around. host: lots of comments coming in of this but so far. one caller rights -- sarasota, florida on the line now. good morning, jill. caller: did morning. i have only one very short thing to say. listen, everyone out there. no matter what party believe in, they're used to be a wonderful country in africa called rhodesia. we are talking about african problems, but it was a bread basket country. produce things. now it is called zimbabwe. inflation is over 1000%. that is all i am going to say to the people watching and listening to this program because we are heading in the same direction. thank you and have a wonderful new year. host: a tear from bob now in the democrat light. caller: thank you for letting me have a chance to speak. i am more optimistic -- i a more pessimistic than optimistic. i just do not think they will ever get together like they should. my one comment is when they start speaking about the
. both sides still far apart, however, on taxes and spending cuts. senate majority leader harry reid says prospects for a deal by monday are still unlikely. there was a lot of movement, motion for not a lot of action. >> where were you yesterday? >> i was here. we were together. >> were we ever with our -- no. but there were duelling senate leaders just -- first mcconnell came on. and he said -- did you see either one of those? >> i did. >> did you see harry reid? >> there's no chance of -- >> but if you think -- i want to rise above. there was so little of anything close to that yesterday other than just the -- i mean, people at home must be like, it's the endless blaming and finger pointing and, you know, when one side says it's all the other side's fault and all the other side comes on and says people at home aren't going, wow, i believe you, harry. or i believe i, mitch. they're saying you're both losers, right? >> right. >> my real concern is this is what the current version of america actually voted for. >> the house is different. all politics is local. harry reid, you know which in
don't know if the president plans to return at the to hawaii if the tax hikes are avoided well in advance of the of the new year. he's there to talk to himself. john boehner will come back at any time. his office told us it would be sometime after christmas. so he could be back as soon as today. the upper chamber in commerce is coming back tomorrow to pick up where they left off on the important domestic surveillance bisa. they will meet for a vote on the $50.6 billion bill for hurricane sandy relief. they will be back in the same zip code as far as we know there are no specific time or places on the books for an inperson meaning between the two. something else that remains to be seen is everybody will return to the table with a cooler head which the president shawas hopi for before he went on his family vacation. hoe over do you. >> the fiscal cliff we have been telling you so much about could be devastating for thousands of american businesses and their workers. their new concerns this morning about profits for those companies. lauren simonetti from the fox business network j
taxes on families and small businesses. it was a mandate to work together to begin solving the massive debt that threatens our country's future. >> reporter: the house and the senate will both be back in session tomorrow and the president has said he expects them to quickly vote to pass legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff, if, he and the speaker are able to make a deal before it's too late. gregg: we'll be holding our breath. peter doocy, thanks. >> reporter: yeah. patti ann: the commander-in-chief also spent part of his holiday thanking the troops on a visit to a hawaiian military base. the president and first lady paying tribute to those here and abroad who risk their lives keeping us safe. he took time to honor their families as well. >> so many of you make sacrifices day in, day out on behalf of our freedom, on behalf of our security, and not only do those in uniform make sacrifices but i think everybody here understands the sacrifices that families make each and every day as well. and michelle --. patti ann: the president also made a series of holiday phone calls monday night th
brings one that is a real doozy, billions in tax increases and across-the-board spending cuts take effect. it forces members of congress and president obama to spend the last few days of 2012 on the job. we want to bring in cnn chief white house correspondent, jessica yelen, we all know they would rather celebrate new year's eve elsewhere. how did they get here? >> reporter: it is such a good question, you know, candy, this grid lock in washington creates the eye-rolling. but the fundamental question goes to the essential differences between the two parties about the role of government, should it be bigger or smaller? about whether we want lower taxes or more of a social safety net. so while we have seen the principles, the president, speaker boehner, and now senator mcconnell and reid trying to get involved in stages in the last few weeks, it has always broken down because they fundamentally disagree about the big ideas over the core of this debate. they're fighting between the two parties. and this could get resolved in a matter of days or weeks. but the big difference, the issues could
to the negotiating table. we are now just a few days away from the end of the year and push to solve tax and spending issues is critical. the edge of the so-called fiscal cliff is really in view now. the home county of house speaker john boehner butler county, ohio, currently under a blizzard warning. house republican leaders holding a conference call earlier today on the fiscal cliff, but so far they have not yet called on lawmakers to return to capitol hill. but they have said they will give a 48 hour warning if they plan to do that the white house saying the president is cutting his holiday vacation in hawaii short to return to d.c. to work on a deal to try to stop those automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts from kicking in on january 1st. and if they don't reach a deal before then, many economists say we will dip back into a recession. i had henly house republican leaders didn't have a lot of new information for their lawmakers. they would have 48 hour notice if they are needed to pray back to washington from various districts around the country. that tells us they are being noncommittal at
the cliff unimpeded, it's a $400 billion tax hike. >> outrage after a newspaper gets its hands on the names and addresses of gun permit holders and then publishes the information online. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> isn't it possible that if we got rid of these, if we replaced them and said you can only have a magazine that carries five bullets or ten bullets, isn't it just possible that we could reduce the carnage in a situation like this? >> i don't believe that will make one difference. >> oh, my god, a tornado. >> winter weather threatening to cause major travel problems for people trying to get home after the holidays. some states dealing with snow, thunderstorms and tornadoes. >> oh, wow. oh, jesus, look at that tornado. >> tonight, john hammer is out of prison and on his way home. >> it was harrowing, because we had to jump from one bridge to another at the last minute just to get a safe place that i could take possession of him. >> this is great right now. i'm glad to be talking to you about that it's over with. i guess it's really o
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still scratching your head over why speaker boehner asked the caucus to vote for raising taxes and promising them that the senate wouldn't bother signing the bill anyway? left you wondering why anyone signs a dock tenant goes against their fiber, document to be used against them with the constituents? about the darn thing was d.o.a. in the senate i? way. the republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it and own the national debt. own the defense cut. instead, boehner and the gang allow the president to star in his own superhero film. he will cut the hawaiian vacation short and come back to save us mere mortal from the fiscal cliff. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how did you get the ball back from the republicans? they had it. this was obama's economy, his face calf cliff. now boehner fails on the vote and next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> juan: i think you are right. i think boehner at the moment looking weaker. he is out of this altogether at the moment. his troops a
asked the caucus to vote for raising taxes and promising them that the senate wouldn't bother signing the bill anyway? left you wondering why anyone signs a dock tenant goes against their fiber, document to be used against them with the constituents? about the darn thing was d.o.a. in the senate i? way. the republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it and own the national debt. own the defense cut. instead, boehner and the gang allow the president to star in his own superhero film. he will cut the hawaiian vacation short and come back to save us mere mortal from the fiscal cliff. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how did you get the ball back from the republicans? they had it. this was obama's economy, his face calf cliff. now boehner fails on the vote and next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> juan: i think you are right. i think boehner at the moment looking weaker. he is out of this altogether at the moment. his troops abandoned him. he is okay keeping the speaker on january 3 w
brink and taxes going up for all americans. so far, there's been no call for the house to get back to the hill. senators return to the capitol tomorrow. the question remains krks the president join congress and surf the rough political waters to get a deal in time? >> i think he's doing all he can and calving hell at the same time and there's give, give. i think it's very, very difficult, particularly after boehner's plan "b" failed. >> the key issue i think and the american people are catching on is that the problem that we have is we have a right wing political figure in the house way, way, way out of touch of what the american people are thinking. >>> there's early economic sinls that the uncertainty over the cliff may have clayed the role of scrooge this holiday season. early holiday numbers point to the worst year to year growth since 2008. >>> i think the president is steward of this economy needs to try to reach the big compromise with speaker boehner and the two men came very close. >> all right. let's check in and say good morning to nbc news correspondent mike vi cara now
to do anything related to taxes. we both know each side wants a piece of the other to do those exact things and both sides still refuse. is there anything that means those two factors have changed. >> we saw it on the stock market today and we saw the wild swings as news developments happened throughout the course of the day. it impacted the market throughout date and if that continues that kind of pressure from the outside could really put some force on these members of congress to come together for a deal. the closer we get the more pressure from the outside they're going feel and i think it makes it easier, not harder to get a deal in the last 48 to 24 hour space lot of folks have said that's the sweet spot for a deal anyway and there's another group that says we're going over this cliff, if even just temporarily, michelle. >> thank you, eamon. >> just days from heading back to washington, congressman aaron shaw, republican from illinois. thanks for joining us, representative. you got the call and have to go back to washington sunday, 6:30, what, if anything, are you going to vote
senator chuck kagel and make it to the pentagon? >> the house did not take up the tax measure today because it did on have sufficient support from our members to pass. house speaker john boehner's statement thursday evening as he stood in print of the republican conference, he recited the serenity prayer. god, grant me the serenity to accept the things which i cannot change and close the house for business until after christmas. there is no place like an empty house for the holidays. thus diane john boehner's plan b, which was destined to die anyway. >> let me be clear. speaker boehner's plans are nonstarters in the senate. >> boehner appeared friday morning and said, if this thing were easy, it would have been done decades ago. >> i am interested in solving the major problems that face our country. that means house leaders, senate leaders, and the president, are going to have to continue to work together to address those concerns. >> the president lifted his number to 400,000, no tax hikes for anyone making less than that, boehner says the million, still no deal. what happened out
their tax bill for 2013 will look like right now. at some point you have to say, this is what it is. i only have so many years until i retire. risk is part of the game. this is what i am willing to invest. what is your best bet? >> there is no dow that energy stocks, to me, we are seeing the spikes in oil prices today. lori: you are basically saying try to raise some cash during this last week. that could be your fine opportunity. >> right. you have to think back at what these companies are saved. they are not overly optimistic. they were not doing back flips about the future. sometimes waiting is the best investment strategy that there is. you have to begin to see whether they will begin to grow. most companies have to face the facts. most companies are making money because of cost-cutting. i think we have to really look at ways to just be ready. the best place to be -- lori: lean and mean. cash is, well, i guess that is why you had a debate. i guess i can hold on for two weeks. >> i agree. they are lean and mean. every quarter, they are cutting more and cutting more. now, we are at the po
1. >> i think we're dealing now with whether or not we can put off the -- the increase in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with now. >> the next session of the senate is now set for tomorrow. the house has nothing on its schedule for this week. members have been told they could be called back within 48 hours' notice. meantime, and this i guess is also the big news, the white house saying the president's going to be flying back from vacation in hawaii today. a lot of people making something of that. i don't know what it means ultimately. >> well, one thing it means -- >> a show of something. >> if i had to get back from hawaii at a minute's notice, you know what it would be. the president will have an easier time of it, i think. right? >> i noticed a couple of news reports saying the cost of the last-minute flight is about $250 -- >> he's the president, he's allowed. he's not going to be like in -- you know, transferring in san francisco or l.a. or something. and hoping that flight isn't -- i think he can just sort of -- >> the good news. >> he can probably work on the way ba
is expected to return to dc any time he with drew the republican plan b deal that extends tax cuts to everyone under millionaire. he was confident that the cliff could be avoided last time we heard from him. >> of course, hope springs eternal and i know we have in us to come together and do the right thing. we'll work on a plan to protect families and small businesses. >> and so there is time for a in person meeting. >> we are getting some twitter for rick. what is new york city looking like with a nor'easter on thursday. i want to know the answer on that. deadly storm system that pounded the midwest with storm and thousands of tornados heading northeast this morning. oh, my god. that is a tornado. oh, wow. oh, jesus, look at that tornado. >> gretchen: that funnel cocloud was spot indeed mobile, alabama and 10s of thens of people now without power. >> i prayed to god as loud as i could . praying for my safety and i knew and prayed that the truck stayed put and god would protect me. the brutal winds tossed the cars on top of each other and left the neighborhood a complete disaster. >> i never s
about, as the president describes the so-called bush tax rates to be maintained for the middle class, he was not clear i think by intention of saying exactly what that dollar threshold was. is it the $250,000 number that's been out there for months? the $400,000 number that he apparently put on the table as late as last weekend? some other number? >> i think eamon presumed he was referring to $250,000. so you would raise taxes above $250,000, and talk about spending cuts later. i don't see how that will ever get through the house. isn't that where we started? >> at this point, who is going to vote for that? once you as a republican vote for that, how do you have leverage later on ever in the negotiations? >> i think that sets up if they get the basic plan through the senate on democratic votes only and send that plan to the house, what that sets up is a failure of the plan in the house, because that's not something republicans said they could support in the past. what that would do you do is set up a situation where democrats are daring republicans on the last day of the deadline to vote
cliff package that president obama laid out on friday, which moved the tax hike needle to $400,000. no word yet on when the house of representatives might come back, but democrats say the only hope we have of something getting through the house, the senate and the white house may be a very last-minute deal. cnn radio's lisa is following developments on capitol hill right now. the ball is in senate majority leader harry reid's court it would seem right now, lisa. >> that's right. harry reid and the senate seem to be the only game in town right now with the senate returning today. we also know from sources, ali, that over this christmas break there were no conversations between the president and top-level republicans. sources from both parties are telling us they are watching the senate, especially the democratic leadership in the senate. we also know yesterday house republicans came out with a statement saying that he will act only after the u.s. senate acts. we're not sure what the senate will do, as you say, we're expecting that smaller deal. what exactly will they vote on? pe
the tax increases and more importantly the spending cuts. the other thing you get out of that is if you allow the tax increases to go into effect a lot of those republicans think they have a better shot at tax reform next year when you instantly have a broader tax base. the numbers are sort of come complex. when the bush tax cuts went into effect fewer people had an income tax liability. this is what mitt romney was talking about last year with the 47%. if the tax rates increase you all of a sudden have more people paying income taxes and you just have a broader, higher rate to play with. next year when they come back they can get rid of some of the duck -ts and what not and lower the rates and overall have a lot more money in the system to play with, a lot more options. they think they are better shape for tax reform if they come back next year with the rates having gone up. >> reporter: and by not allowing the president to just add nah see um raise the debt level, they have leverage, don't they? >> they believe so. and the president -- it's safe to say the president realizes that, bec
spending cuts and tax hikes will impact every single one of us if there is still no deal by monday night. we begin our coverage with nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. kelly, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, natalie. the mood here really feels like resignation, that the fiscal cliff deadline will come and go, and no agreement reached. democrats and republicans say they want progress, but there is nothing to report. but there are plenty of recriminations about which party is to blame. the president left his family in hawaii to return to washington. with the help of the economy and a bank account of every american family on the line. but the back and forth bickering continues. >> the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the ridge are the republicans who work in this building. >> make no mistake. the only reason democrats have been trying to deflect attention on to me and my colleagues over the past few weeks, they don't have a plan of their own that could get bipartisan support. >> reporter: taxes go up for every worker next week. unemploy
the taxes on 98% of the american people to go up. >> richard wolf, you are in washington d.c., the capital of incompetent this morning. >> yeah. >> senator reid used a phrase that has nothing to do with being a republican or democrat at this stage, i don't think, for a lot of people. the phrase he used is the american people don't understand blah, blah, blah what's going on. the american people i would submit don't understand how these people cannot do their jobs that they're elected to. so i'm wondering what's your take on what's going on in washington? you're sitting in washington. >> right. the at least we have bipartisan agreement it's all nuts, right? everyone agrees this is ridiculous and in spite of what they say, they've been talking about it for months and years and there was ample talk about what a framework should be through the election, which wasn't that long ago. there's plenty of debate. to tie the two stories we have been talking wiabout together, there was a colin powerful doctrine that general schwartzkopf executed so well in the first gulf war. which was have an exit str
there will be a resolution and that's largely based on the fact that plan "b" turns from a tax hike to a tax cut as of january 1st. >> so your forecast is -- your forecast is conditional on a resolution and that makes more sense to me. >> rick santelli, i mean, even if we do go over the cliff, anyone you've spoken to that actually believes we would stay interest. >> wouldn't we claw back at some point? >> i think that whether we go over the cliff in the traditional cnbc sense or not, we're still in for a lot of issues, and i particularly want to address my buddy jared. first of all, you know, happy holidays, jared. >> thank you. >> but you did work for joe biden, okay? and how you can be -- how you can be here telling us all how bad it is to go over the fiscal cliff when senators barack obama, senator joe biden, senator harry reid in 2006 all turned down w's request to raise the debt ceiling . >> the fiscal cliff was born in 2011. >> he didn't like it then but he wants today. he wants carte blanche today. >> let him answer, rick. >> i listened to you. please listen to me. i know that's not easy
think republicans at this point fear casting a career-threatening vote to raise taxes instead of waiting four days and letting the cliff -- >> and then they can technically say -- >> they're voting for a tax cut. >> do they presume the voters are that dumb? they think there's a difference? they might think that. >> they might. >> do they think the voters are that dumb to think three days difference in how you vote with the exact same result exonerates for having been an apostate on the hard world tea party? >> i think a lot of the republicans aren't worried about the general voter at large or what the national polls say -- >> only their base is stupid. they think only their base is stupid is what you're saying? >> they're worried about a primary on the right -- >> why would -- >> i don't want a democrat coming at me -- >> i know all that. let's get to the bottom line. they are arguing in their minds that they're safer to vote to keep the country going next week sometime rather than this week because they believe that the people who think they're great on the hard right will be confused.
spending cuts and big tax hikes by january 1. the growing number of lawmakers say they are deeply skeptical that a deal can be reached in the next seven days, and we're beginning to hear new reports suggesting the president may have a smaller deal in mind, one that will keep tax rates where they are and, again, put off the issue of spending cuts. chris stirewalt, fox news digital politics editor, host of "power play" on foxnews.com, chris, good to see you. i was reading your recent column, i want to put a portion of it up on the screen, and i'll quote you: gregg: explain what you mean. >> a cheerful christmas thought, gregg. [laughter] merry, merry. no, when we look back at 2012, if you take a minute and look back at the arc of this year in politics, what you saw was the smallest -- it was the most expensive, but it was the smallest presidential election maybe if history. we didn't talk about anything. the president did talk about higher tax rates, but mostly it was as a way to talk about mitt romney's taxes himself. and we didn't talk about much in this except for mitt romney's character a
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